I have a good shop for the Japanese though ...

Uncle Egor wrote: I have a good shop for the Japanese though ...

is what?

Remavto on Govorova 17B

Jhonny wrote: He says the difference is, if Audi is on 200rub per piece, if Zhiguli, then at 50 ... Thus here

unoriginal in Vilnius Old price has put those "are not going to drive it forever."
Why let me buy the original for 3500, if you can duplicate for 900? the more so because I know that a couple of months the car will throw off, but now must hit the road for 5 km tysch ...
and takby and did not change ...

mitek wrote:

Jhonny wrote: provided that there are documents that detail was put on the certified service.

Enlighten me, dark, where the seller is registered to impose such conditions?

He's right, Mitek! I neodneokratno confronted with such nonsense!
The first time you install the signaling, I was immediately warned that installing the signaling to take the certificate of service otherwise the machine will be charged with a warranty!

pechorin wrote: He's right, Mitek! I neodneokratno confronted with such nonsense!
The first time you install the signaling, I was immediately warned that installing the signaling to take the certificate of service otherwise the machine will be charged with a warranty!

Perhaps quote the law on protection of consumer rights.

за недостатки товара, если не докажет , что они возникли после передачи товара потребителю вследствие нарушения потребителем правил использования, хранения или транспортировки товара, действий третьих лиц или непреодолимой силы. In respect of the goods for which a warranty, the seller (manufacturer), the authorized organization or an authorized individual entrepreneur, the importer is responsible for the defects of the goods, unless it is proved that they arose after the transfer of goods to the consumer because of violations of the rules of consumer use, storage or transportation, actions of third parties or force majeure.

That is, the seller must prove that a certain lack of car was the result of specific actions of third parties or consumers.

By the way, the seller is responsible, and after the warranty period (within the lifetime of the goods), but it's the consumer proves that "it is not a camel." If he proves to have the right to eliminate the shortage.

1. Terms of the contract, violate the rights of consumers, compared with the rules established by law or other legal acts of the Russian Federation in the field of consumer protection shall be invalid.
When as a result of the contract, infringes on the rights of the consumer, he experienced losses, they are recoverable manufacturer (performer, seller) in full.
2. Do not make the acquisition of some goods (works, services) compulsory acquisition of other goods (works, services). Losses caused to the consumer due to a violation of his right to free choice of goods (works, services) shall be reimbursed by the seller (performer) in full.
Do not stipulate meet the demands imposed during the warranty period, conditions that are associated with defects of goods (works, services).

Requirements (I'm not all text copied), this requirement to address the shortcomings.

Reading. If, as in paragraph 2, the seller imposes a condition that de Mol "in this case I am not responsible. See point 1, which says that if these conditions are not present in the laws (and the oral instruction of the shopkeeper, as in other zapisulki and the manufacturer are not), they are invalid.

Damn, at a forum there are lawyers. But for some reason they are silent.
I am sorry, can I really oversimplifies everything, and there are nuances?

retwan wrote:

Jhonny wrote: He says the difference is, if the Audi, then by 200rub per piece, if Zhiguli, then at 50 ... Thus here

unoriginal in Vilnius Old price has put those "are not going to drive it forever."
suppose what I have to buy an original for 3500, if you can duplicate for 900? the more so because I know that a couple of months the car will throw off, but now must hit the road for 5 km tysch ...
and takby and did not change ...

We will:) The trend is that the original s / h now, when their value can not work out the money. For most machines have statistics on services and reviews in the forums As required r / h.
Further, the BIG price tag for original spare parts are often obtained by the fact that s / h is c / o a lot of people who resell these r / h.
These findings are confirmed, I almost + talked to people Specialized in the sale of specific goods.

1) Bearings example, well, no tokogo concept as the original, is the concept of bearing full of a brand in a box "xxx oridzhinal Parts.
As an example podshipnikpoluosi my car. Very high quality product (DPI, SKF) is 750rubley and available. The same thing but in a package Isuzu is 1500-2500 and it is in existential. Add more interest in the seller - at least 200rubley.

2) hinges UAP retail in Tomsk are 300rubley/sht. The same thing, but on my machine 360/sht. Made in Japan. There are a lot of examples. Just such spare parts is still going on almost a direct and tsenik them honest.

3) Ball and steering nozzles on my car walked original 10 years ago, more 100t.km. Now kachesvo fell - the manufacturer has found ways of saving, reduced requirements for necessity. Therefore, "butor" true cost of only 2.5 times lower nichemne less (600 instead of 1500 (by existential)). This is the guest of specific owners. A cross cardans are pochi 5 times cheaper, they are easy to change vise, with shpritsovke walk a lot. I note those and those. Just need to follow.

original, unlike the double pass additional verification phase, and after that goes to the conveyor or on the secondary market.
there are companies who do not have their production, so-called wrappers, they select a supplier, checking quality and to market under its own brand (Nipparts Netherlands, masuma Japan) with details of tolerable quality.
there are companies that make the same bearings on the same plant as much 60 years old (Japan country of riddles and a very closed, even now) nobody knows them, are cheap but quality-higher.
there are companies with a worldwide reputation (NSK bearings make even for computers and generators HPS) but production scattered around the world (China included).
a forgery
have the budget brands (worse quality but cheaper) to have all but one box of spare parts are different (well, for example, the letter N in the product of 20tsifrobukv - but hard wear-resistant pads for trucks and SUVs, and the letter S - myakgie and comfortable for the executive class sedans .. .)
and substandard parts (forging, marriage) on the market almost never occur (on the head you can get), there are duplicate - ie the same parts only manufacturer other. All of them are good (especially the price) but the resource is less, usually in proportion to the price, there are tuning offers, price lists there is just fantastic, well that is on the Japanese (an excellent candle denso-iridium rasing costs no less than 1500 RR per piece.) вобщем the consumer in my output for at least three - to devote several weeks to collect and analyze information on Bearings for example (the Internet is not the best way) or go to the trusted store and consult with the seller or stupidly take the original. because to understand all the nuances are very difficult sometimes even for an expert (the more I know the more I understand that the nichrome not know)

mitek wrote: Damn, the forum is lawyers. But for some reason they are silent.
I am sorry, can I really oversimplifies everything, and there are nuances?

In this matter, lawyers are not needed. To show your claim to the goods the buyer must be a passport for this product. Otherwise the case in court even proygryshnoe. Q: Who saw the passport to zaapchasti? Here sellers violate the law. But often they do not know this. There have been cases of exchange of parts without a passport, please fill out the following letter to the claim. (Just wilt, and could and send).

lemon wrote: the buyer must be a passport for this product

This is not a way to deprive the buyer's legal rights, IMHO

mitek wrote:

lemon wrote: the buyer must be a passport for this product

This is not a way to deprive the buyer's legal rights, IMHO

Duc him and do not deprive he himself denies. No passport, do not take!

now watching
Speed Shop on Herzen.
Buyer - why you ask 140 to 120 price tag?
seller - I am selling online on your computer, there Pricelist 140
Buyer - by law you have to sell at a specified price
bookseller - and 20 I'll tell myself? on what is law?
Buyer - Consumer Protection
seller - and you make me
Seller 2 - gyy, I'd like to look at this
customer left without buying ...
talk much reduced and does not transmit all the emotions, but I for our trade ashamed
one word creature!

Klin wrote: now watching
Shop at the speed of Herzen.
Buyer - why you ask 140 to 120 price tag?
seller - I am selling online on your computer, there Pricelist 140
Buyer - by law you have to sell at a specified price
bookseller - and 20 I'll tell myself? on what is law?
Buyer - Consumer Protection
seller - and you make me
Seller 2 - gyy, I'd like to look at this
customer left without buying ...
talk much reduced and does not transmit all the emotions, but I for our trade ashamed
one word creature!

For the second year do not go to them and do not buy on principle. It was a couple of times ate with the seller (a man), but there aunty rabotalet normal. Laws markups below neznayu and do not comply.

Today there were two young "saleswoman"

My aunt at the age where very good nice and quite knowledgeable seller ...

Today, I skidded (Zhenya - vkurse ....) in store Yakovlev 42.
Never again will not go there. As with halfwits talking. The feeling is that they generally favor more to do, that suffer from a customer .....

Yeah, was there too once, more odd and does not pull ...

Yes, zhopashniki ...

And the name of their respective

Zhen, shut your ears and do not read!
The rest: see Gene in his work. These sellers just want to always be treated!

Dear users. You have to buy candles and explosive wires on UAZ (ignition contact),. With a choice I chose my candles - Brisk, and wires - HORS. Do not tell my where in Tomsk you can buy data devays, but without much risk of running into Palenque. It was as automotive, no. And the other shops Tomsk yet I have no opinion did not work out.
PS Sorry for the off-top. But what is your opinion about the selected plugs and wires centuries. Just about all the shops I've been offered Fin. But I have twice been caught in Palenque with the brand, but only in the Seversky stores (the first time bought a candle, and centuries of wire, but in the cornfield, two months zatroil engine, and three threw both callback and then he went for with an expert and multimeter to the store after checking it was found that relatives (Soviet centuries wire, which was not terribly taken a couple of times I beat current) is better indicator than this fin. And the other six just stood up well near the house that turned out to be central centuries wire probit, and again fin whale). Since then I have about him only bad opinion. A HORSE I'm pleased (I have in the field is), although brought from Moscow. And about the candles, a few owners UAZ'ov advised, one more than two years of riding, but before that, several times was caught in Palenque. And what is your opinion??
Thanks in advance.

By Briscoe: See the inscription on the candles, should be filled with small dots rather than solid type. If a wet finger and rub with a force should not be smeared. The quality of printing (color, alignment layers, the edge) on the cardboard. At one time there were many kontrofakta, right now, it became less. And they sold in all stores.
By BB wires unknown.

I bought today in the automotive spare parts for Michurin. Including - clutch switch 3-4 transfer. A careful consideration of the house revealed that the coupling does not comply. Backlash in the coupling is approximately two times greater than the backlash in which the coupling reject if disassembled box and flaw details.
Raking, went back. Change. Arrived. He asked me to change - agreed without any problems. But when told that this time I will choose the appropriate requirements - refused and returned the money. Therefore, we conclude that already know that selling substandard parts. Other reasons - I do not see the rejection.
I went to the nearest store - on DOSAAF. They reacted calmly to my desire to find the right sleeve, and even gave a pair of gloves that would not smudge the hands. Select - for what they are now THANKS!
By the way prices for clutches (two detalyuhi, without springs, balls and crackers), approximately:
- Autotractor - 850 p.
- On DOSAAF - 560 p
Clutches are packed in boxes branded with holograms and stickers UAZ plant.
At the same DOSAAF fully complete clutch with rusks, balls and springs - 950 p.
From packaged in its original packaging to choose anything failed. In addition, the backlash that go beyond the imaginable and unimaginable standards, so more and burrs on the ends, and internal ferrule looks like some kind of "performance garage".
Took over 950. It is without a colorful box, and vice versa - in conservation grease and wrapped in wax paper. At the ends - stamp and green stars (TCI and voen.pred. ") Visible. It looks - as "factory" (the quality of surface detail is visible to thermal treatment, no burrs). Can be mistaken, but I suppose that this piece - sovetskiyh time of manufacture. If so - that lucky!

Victor wrote: I bought today in the automotive spare parts in Michurina ....

Yes aftatraktornye vapsche paslednee time bestial Maghazi became ...