Cooling system - problems.

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Post by spoon on 09 Nov 2009, 16:27

What was even easier to understand my theory, here Picchu schematic:
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Post by a crocodile on 09 Nov 2009, 17:21

Replace the pointer to the panel)) or better put BC))
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Post by spoon on 09 Nov 2009, 17:38

Y parameter varies in a panic to do with it. In his pokahanih given error I'm sure at 100%
BC for 21eh cornfields alas no such that they filmed this option. I could not find at least.
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Post by a crocodile on 09 Nov 2009, 18:28

spoon wrote: for 15-20 seconds before my eyes, hands pokazometra falls somewhere 55-60 * C. And somewhere in the same period, yet joined Carlson.

this as
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Post by spoon on 09 Nov 2009, 19:16

Easy! As is known, the pressure in the engine cooling system nikakuchee. He was simply there is almost there.
Sensor Carlson is on my way out to the Cylinder Head to the radiator, as it were, the hottest point, and in any event, though slowly, quickly at the speed it runs anti-freeze. This probe skronen I believe, as boiling it, and it is valid only confined within the specified range TM108-10 (99-94 * C). It turns out that it is included when the actual temperature is equal to the setting. It does not matter what show in temperature control. When a big turnover, antifreeze simply flies past the sensor in the tee, as shown in my drawings. During those 20-40 seconds, it manages to cool the body temperature was measured Cylinder Head, of the tee and the environment. While raising the speed I really warm up the engine from working 90 * in the range include sensor Carlson, and it is included. Poraboet sekudn 15-20 bran. Next, hold the XX and the temperature rises ka vkopanaya 90 * and Carlson Comprises once the arrow barely pass for cover those 90.
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Post by YaNN on 10 Nov 2009, 00:25

spoon wrote: What was even easier to understand my theory, here Picchu schematic:

Probably at high speeds antifreeze goes against the red arrows on the tee, when reset is on the CD. p.
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Post by kovlagen on 10 Nov 2009, 00:54

I is identically e / heating. Podtseplen same.
As soon as the set - notice that the temperature sensor was showing less. Well greatest bank, because farther from the Cylinder Head and the liquid slowly flows there. Plus, the E / heater is a check valve (you probably too) and liquid flow past the sensor is not, except for the eddies of the Cylinder Head.
When are you going, especially in winter and not with cover carton heatsink pokazometr much less seems, for much blown air temperature sensor.
In the summer, too, but not much less. In a little town in the riding - almost lying.
I tried to tape a tee and sensor insulating material - not much improvement. Should probably specifically because winding, including the feed tube from the heater to the tee ...
As for the fall in temperature from high speed - not noticed. Maybe just not paying attention ... While this would fall like you would have noticed certain. When it warms Nicada not gazuyu, so just - to 1500 times diluted hold, and when driving rarely look at pokazometr.
One of these days will try to track this time.

Another concern emerged:
Since e / heater is a check valve, the liquid flow through it is not, and therefore, the fluid in it and in the tubes cooled, particularly intense in the winter.
Then, when you gazuesh MAYBE appears such an effect, as the ejector, ie "Flying" past the hole, which screwed tee, water "carries" a liquid from the tee (the valve is in a "normal" side works, the more it seems that I did not spring loaded, there's just a ball hanging in the saddle). Then, in the multiple adapter is more or less been replaced by warm liquid cooled from E / heater and pipes. The greatest bank sensor seems the temperature down.
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Post by barek on 10 Nov 2009, 1:13

If you do not want to bother with the temperature sensor simply dismantle this tee and put the sensor without it. In a set of heating should be a plastic tee, put it in the top tatrubok the radiator see the scheme set Easley available. And take off your electric fan and place of forced labor. And the problem will be Solved!
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Post by Sanya on 10 Nov 2009, 1:23

barek wrote: If you do not want to bother with the temperature sensor simply dismantle this tee and put the sensor without it. In a set of heating should be a plastic tee, put it in the top tatrubok the radiator see the scheme set Easley available. And take off your electric fan and place of forced labor. And the problem will be solved!

Gygygy :rofl: They are specially placed on the contrary, that there is no overheating ;)
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Post by kovlagen on 10 Nov 2009, 01:38

barek wrote: ... In a set of heating should be a plastic tee, put it in the upper tatrubok on the radiator ...

And I have a set of Chota was not such a tee ...
And place it probably should not in the top tube of the radiator, because there the fluid is heated only when the thermostat opens, and in the small tube circuit on or before the thermostat. Although there may lie, because (Me at least) obratka from the stove is fed directly into the pump, bypassing the thermostat ...
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Post by barek on 10 Nov 2009, 01:38

Sanya wrote: Gygygy :rofl: They are specially placed on the contrary, that there is no overheating ;)

It depends on where and how to ride.
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Post by Sanya on 10 Nov 2009, 01:43

barek wrote:
Sanya wrote: Gygygy :rofl: They are specially placed on the contrary, that there is no overheating ;)

It depends on where and how to ride.

Well at least we put them on the site, but do not remove
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Post by barek on 10 Nov 2009, 1:51

kovlagen wrote: And I have a set of Chota was not such a tee ...
And to put it probably should not in the top tube of the radiator, because there is a liquid is heated only when the thermostat opens, and in the small tube circuit on or before the thermostat. Although there may lie, because (Me at least) obratka from the stove is fed directly into the pump, bypassing the thermostat ...

It can be bought at the flea market that that kashtake. That's exactly it needs to be put into the top tube when heating is turned on, then the heating goes through the upper pipe and went to the Cylinder Head, thereby heating the unit and the stove.
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Post by spoon on 10 Nov 2009, 10:58

Yes there beshanaya lot of options to connect. And every year Severs invents something new. In my set was just what was in the previous and not any other tees was not.

As this valve. I know about him in the previous pomplekte it I had, but at the same time, it seems to me-NO (not dissected, and as he came to see me full of coolant, checked shoving a screwdriver there, she fell into the same two holes) .

Citizens, the options for installing regular grinder and so does not offer. Read carefully the conditions of the problem. There, on this subject says it all.

Principle the, if you think that the option to troyknikom about who says barek, has the right to life. Only then is the thought sink into the lower hose going into the oven, a stove podgretaya manure goes into the thermostat out of it to bypass shlanu to pump more of his shirt and again in the oven.
What are the pluses? Well, perhaps it will be slightly cooler oven from the blaze in the lounge, vacant civil service position under the temperature sensor.
What are the drawbacks and doubts? Why do not razrabotchkika Severs, and will have to pull too long hose to the tee.
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Post by barek on 10 Nov 2009, 20:23

Installation Diagram electric heating Alliance LLC. All pretty simple.
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Post by kovlagen on 11 Nov 2009, 2:29

And the hose to the tee from the heater is long, and then a long sleeve top, a lot of heat loss will be.
If, again, to insulate these all hoses ...
And the lie detector will not ...
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Post by MudRun on 12 Nov 2009, 1:12

Jack, you've got is very different from the heater of the Alliance, and the input circuit is far from perfect (better than the Alliance), and over-heating of the overheating, poded in working hours (to 19) discuss the post.
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Post by spoon on 12 Nov 2009, 10:12

Thank you, Gene. How to be anything to come around. :)
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Post by spoon on 12 Nov 2009, 10:41

So, how things work in my ...
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Post by spoon on 12 Nov 2009, 10:52

The root of evil.
Red - how far the line reaches the sensor
Blue - the line on which the coolant flows
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Post by mkot on 12 Nov 2009, 11:22

but he can not be there the difference in temperature more than a couple of degrees, imho ... where all the iron, the thermal conductivity of fierce ...
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Post by spoon on 12 Nov 2009, 11:32

Well, this is still only a theory. Before practice, I have not yet arrived.
can now do it - screwed the sensor directly to Bosko.
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Post by kovlagen on 12 Nov 2009, 15:21

In obchem I watched a couple of days, behaving pokazometr me.
When warming up the engine very reluctant to rise, but above the white / green arrow finally can not rise.
When driving, too, does not rise above the white / green.
When progazovke in 2500 on the arrow pokazometra little bit falls. No scratches, but the reckoning is no more than 5-10 degrees.

After a trip schupal hoses from / to e / heater and he e / heater. Hot and hoses and electric / heater. Not as an engine of course but the temperature is higher than just warm.

We ought eshsho during heating hoses poschupat evonnye ...
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Post by spoon on 12 Nov 2009, 16:02

Well, when the boiler they will goryachuschie.
If you turn on the ignition zone min after the boiler works, it indicates pozometr 100 * C, and even more.
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Post by spoon on 12 Nov 2009, 16:11

It boiled sensor Bosko.

And now that he had discovered ... So this posting with a connector, almost broke off, kept on one thread ...
Connector replaced.
And I sense .. Trouble was most likely due to this.

But anytime, cases in something I still certified. Today, a ride like that.
Tomorrow, put everything back.
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